I have heard an insightful and very informative sermon by Rev Charles Seet at Live BP church. His sermon was about “That which is against nature”
Here are key points summarized from his sermon.
Sin has caused us:
to change the knowledge about God;
to change the worship to God;
to change the gift of God.
In particular case of homosexuality, our society has changed the attitude toward it over the times:
Before 1967 it was widely regarded as a crime called sodomy; Sigmund Freud reduced it to a morally neutral mental illness; by the 70s and 80s, it was attributed to environmental conditioning. Later on it became an alternative lifestyle. Today it is advocated as a preferred way of life to provide the highest form of loving relationship and the best means of population control. Many famous people publicly confess that they are homosexuals, giving it a new respectful image. Within last seven years, the same sex marriage have been legalized in five countries and recognized in other three.
What happens in Singapore:
There is a growing gay community in Singapore. The latest forum discuss by Tanjong Pagar GRC MP Baey Yam Keng said if it comes to a vote in Parliament, he would say 'yes' to doing away with the law which makes it illegal for men to have sex with other men.
He was joined by Nominated MP Siew Kum Hong who had previously made public his opposition to Section 377A of the Penal Code which bans homosexual sex.
What causes homosexuality?
Many have said that they are homosexuals is because they are made of. It is due to inborn genetic traits that one cannot be held responsible for. There was even a scientific paper published in 1993 by Simon LyVay and Dean H. Hamer who claimed the discovery of a “gay gene”. This paper has however been discredited, please view the report "is there a gay gene?" (http://www.narth,com/docs/istheregene.html)
It is now known today that homosexual is a socially learned response. When a man claims to be a homosexual, he is a man with heterosexuality but with homosexual problems. He is responsible for giving expression to his sinful nature instead of choosing to subdue it.
Homosexuality is a Sin
It violates God’s design in marriage (Gen 1:27.28)
It undermines the basic unit of society: the family (Exodus 20:12)
It is unnatural and an abomination to God (Romans 1:26-27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13)
It brought God’s judgement upon Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 19:4-5; Jude 7)
It is condemned by the law of God (1Tim 1:8-10)
It excludes those who indulge in it from God’s kingdom (1Cor 6:9-10)
The hope of homosexuals
Homosexual is only one of human sins. If they are willing to repent and turn to Christ for salvation, there is always hope in Christ Jesus who had given his life for sinners like you and me.
With Christ, there is endless hope and without Christ, there is hopeless end.
Many who have succeed in putting away their sinful past, visit http://www.sbministries.org/testimon.html
May God have mercy and grace to all.
Saturday, August 11, 2007
Sermon against Homosexuality
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"It is now known today that homosexual is a socially learned response."
This is not true. There is increasing evidence that homosexuality does have a genetic component. For example, if a man has an identical twin brother who is gay, he is more likely than average to be gay himself. This applies even when twins have been brought up apart - in other words, the home life of the two twins is not the same and cannot explain the increased chance of the brother of the gay twin being gay himself.
In addition, if a man has gay relatives on his mother's side, he is more likely than average to be gay.
Furthermore, other studies show that if a man has several older brothers, he is more likely than average to be gay (regardless of whether they are gay). This suggests that something in the mother's womb is having an effect on the developing male foetus, some change as a result of the womb previously carrying several male babies. This isn't genetic, it's environmental, but is NOT environmental in the sense of being a "socially learned response".
There is much more work to be done to find the causes of homosexuality, but there is already enough evidence suggesting a number of biological causes that you cannot say that "it is now known today to be a socially learned response."
See http://www.physorg.com/news84720662.html
And also http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1691850
Dear Annette:
Thank you for your comments. i visited the site your provided and found it only "suggest" , We have to bear in mind that Gene Linkage Studies:
"Associated With" Does Not Mean "Caused By".
A person does have inclination towards certain temperament, that is however character issue. The habit choice one take in fact enhance one's characteristic behavior. Everyone has choice for his/her own, especially on the issue of homosexual.
For more insightful on this please also visit:http://oracleinterpreter.blogspot.com/2006/11/gay-adgenda.html
It is rather laughable how Christians like you quote Bible verses as if that ends the argument. Not everyone believes in the Bible. I personally do not believe in it, and have good reasons to believe that it is a text written by unenlightened people in the past who base their writings on their personal ignorance and prejudices.
Nor do you have shown in any way that the Bible is a valid guide to morality in our lives that everybody should accept. The Bible has at numerous points condoned the outright massacre of entire tribes (including women and children), slavery, and the subjugation of women. It is clearly a very dubious document to use in support of ethical positions.
As such, quoting Bible verses in support of your stand only preaches to the choir. If you wish to convince people that homosexuality is immoral, you should use logical arguments, not unsubstantiated religious dogma.
http://www.gaysouthafrica.org.za/homosexuality/bible.asp
Dear Anonymous:
I can only fully emphatise with you for I was once lost and blind without any knowledge of Almighty God. By His grace only, I can say , "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth... For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 1:16, 3:23). May this one day be true for you too.
i read with your postings and views great interest and i respect them for they show your conviction about your beliefs.
my input is that despite all that is being said and from all the different perspective - moralistic, religious, etc all of it has it's debatable areas but equally correct from the perspective of the one who says it.
for me, i am gay and i have been gay since as early as i can remember. i am 41 year old and in my life, i have tried to search for the answers to why i am gay from all perspectives including religion (yes, even Christainity) and through all these journey, i can only conclude that i am gay because i am. it is not a choice. i am gay. yes, i have a choice as to whether i sleep with a man or a woman. but i don't have a choice about my sexuality.
and i really really wish i can be given my space to live my life without being subjected to views that sometimes do not distinguish between what is sexuality and the act of same-gender sex.
and to share further about the discrimination that many Singaporeans homosexuals face i would like to share my personal story.
I was a highly successful civil servant and had served the civil service for over 20 years. considered by many in my line to be a highly professional person, i earn good gradings year after year.
however, when my management learnt that i am a homosexual, i was called up and interrogated for a whole day and subsequently moved to insignificant positions. i was also called up by my management and asked if i, as a homosexual, could ever be professional and contribute to Singapore. and i was `encouraged' to stop seeing and interacting with my gay friends to prevent any possible damage to the image of my profession.
ironic after more than 20 years that i am asked if i can be professional.
and i really think it is not right.
Dear Sir:
It must be hard and sad for you all these years of aguish; especially when management removed you from your professional position…..I don’t think it is right to treat anyone like that. In the same sermon, Rev Seet was in fact exhorting the congregation to be kind and compassionate to those who have homosexual problem; Just like Jesus had shown us kindness and forgiveness and even died for our sin. We are all sinners saved by grace. For you, that might be homosexual tendency, I do think there is difference of “tendency” and “actual acts”; for others that might be other sins. However, there is no sin so great that Jesus cannot forgive, and there is no sin so small that Jesus will overlook. You are about my age, so we are the same generation. I don’t have all the answer of the cause of “homosexual”, but I do wish you to know Jesus more, I also have experienced many life difficulties and personal problems, Jesus the Lord is really my answer, he is the life, the truth, and the way to eternal life. Once again, thank you for sharing with me, I shall sincerely pray for you, all the best.
Fanny
Fanny,
You have found your answers in Christ and he has provided you the strength to overcome many of your life's challenges. And as I have said, I have tried and not found any concrete answers other than promises of salvation. I have thot hard about this and not a single person has given me a satisfactory answer - should a gay man who has not harmed anyone be seen to be less than a Christian who commmit adultery, murder, etc?
Anyway, thanks for sharing ur views. From my perspective, my homosexuality is NOT a tendency. It is in me. It IS me. It is natural, much as it is natural for a straight person to fall in love and have sex with someone of his/her opposite gender.
For the longest time, I have tried and I cannot bring myself to fall in love with a woman or for that matter have sexual relations with a woman.
I have gay Christain gay friends who have abstained from homosexual relations but to me, that is not a solution. Like u say, u do not have the answer. Many of us don't and the closest we can find are correlations of genetics links.
You cannot imagine the extent many of us homosexual men go to to search ourselves and how many of us, myself included, have attempted suicide. I myself finally came to peace of mind when I started to live my life when I accepted my sexuality at the age of 30. And through this, came to love myself and as a process, relearn how to love the people around me.
It is something that you probably will not understand and it is this experience of mine that is also shared by many homosexuals that pains me when I continue to hear and read about discriminating views of homosexuality - views that are often not objective and often borne out of homophobia.
I can safely say that apart from loving and having sexual relations with people of our same gender, homosexuals are all exactly the same as any other straight person.
And for that we just want to live our lives quietly and normally.
Fanny,
I would like to also add here that i dont agree with your view about homosexuality is a social learned behaviour becos I cannot imagine how a person can learn something and then later want to kill himself for it, myself being the best example. Also, think the strong interest in the discussion generated about homosexuals and 377A underlie the desire by many people, straight and homosexuals alike, not to be discriminating against their fellow human being on grounds of their sexuality. You have mentioned that Rev Seet has asked for the Christian community to show compassion to homosexuals. For me personally, I would prefer that people around me accept me for what I am and conduct themselves any different to me just becos I am homosexual (even if it is showing compassion). Also, I think this acceptance needs to extend far more than the Christian community. It is the society as a whole that needs to recognize that there are homosexuals and that we deserve to be treated like any other human beings. For currently, it is a fact that we homosexuals face the brunt of the social stigma and acts of discrimination borne out of homophobia.
Thank you for reading and your prayers. God bless you.
Dear Sir:
While I was saying that I don't have all the answer for the cause of homosexual, it doesn't mean that God has no anwere. Have you really seek God? Do you really trust in HIm? For it is God's promise that everyone who seeks him diligently will find him.
The first step to out of this life struggles (whatever it may be) is to realize that we are sinners. "All have sinned, come short of the glory of God" and God has provided us a way unto salvation through the faith in Jesus Christ, our repentence is towards GOD, not fellowman, not others, not even to ourselves. You mentioned that you were so confused and even wanted to end your life, why was it so, were not youself find it difficult to accept? For God has put a consciousness in everyone's heart, God has given the noble mind to everyone, and he will restore your mind, soul and spirit to a whole.
I once claimed, unless I can see God inside my microscope, ( I studies Microbiolgy)that I will never believer in him. He let me see HIM. Please come to God while there is still hope, call upon his name while he still can be found.
If you like, why not come to LifeChurch and have a talk with Rev Seet, he was studying Medicical before he became a pastor and he is very knowledgable both in theology and homosexual.
Your soul is more precious than anything else, May you truly find peace and joy for this life and the life to come.
Yours sincerely
Fanny
Thanks again for sharing Fanny, I am sure God has all the answer. He always does, doesn't it? I have wondered why God made me homosexual in the first place. Don't get me wrong. It is not that I don't beleive in God. I do. But I just want to make sense of the irony as to why make sinners in homosexuals then ask for his son to save the sinner. No, I don't mean to insult Christianity for I have the highest respect for the religion. What I am saying is that in my journey to discover myself and live a meaningful live that God so desires me to live, I came to conclude that I can only fulfil this after I accept my sexuality.
And I see no logic in it anymore. And Theology to me now is just that Theology - it shares the same starting alphabets as Theo-ry. Life to me is not abt Theology or Theories, becos I live it. It is real. No one lives my life for me. Not you. Not Rev Seet, despite the fact that he is well versed in Theology and Medicine. Till date, no one can pinpoint what is the root to homosexuality. And I see no point being phylosophical abt it anymore.
As I have said, I once looked for answers in the Christian faith. I have no answer except that I am a sinner and I must have faith in Him. If I were to phrase in Christian terms, God lives thru me. And I am homosexual.
And to me, human's attitude to homosexual is a social construct, not homosexuality. For homosexuality is part of nature. Thanks for sharing again.
Dear Sir:
May I share the Roman 2:1-10 with you?
Truly that I may never understand your situation, I also do not want to be seen as “judgmental”. (Rom 2:1) I shall encourage you to continue seeking the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Romans 2:1-10 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile"
Take care
Fanny
Fanny, Thanks for sharing. I totally agree that no man shall judge another man. And he shall not judge his fellow human being based on his set of moral values. That is the universal truth that I have distilled from all religious teaching. Where we differ is our take that `sexuality is a human construct' - the very point u made in your opening. Cheers!
Micky, it is great that you have found your answers in the Christianity faith. For many gay Christians, they have sought refuge and answers in the Christian faith. And many have found their answers in their desire to seek a way to manage their sexuality. Nonetheless, there are many non-Christians homosexuals out there and even if homosexuality is a sin (framed in your undertstanding and interpretation of the Christian faith), it makes no difference to them. We are still trying to understand the cause of homosexuality and therefore the society's attitude towards homosexuals should be more inclusive and accepting rather than discriminating.
Dear Micky, Thank you for your sharing, I was very touched by your testimony. Trully, only Jesus and always Jesus can save us from the sin, make us whole and give the peace and joy that one can never find from worldly persuing. May God bless you. Let also pray for others who are still seeking. May them also be found by God and find God.
Fanny
Greetings Fanny
Thank you for your warm and loving comments. Praise the Lord!!
Peace Be With You
Micky
Anonymous said...
We are still trying to understand the cause of homosexuality and therefore the society's attitude towards homosexuals should be more inclusive and accepting rather than discriminating.
Greetings Anonymous
I felt some pain reading your comments. I wondered why you felt the need to focus or understand why you are homosexual. God loves you just as you are. Jesus' message was all about love. He loves all of you not just a part of you. Do you want the PEARL? We all have our CROSSES to bear? I have been through my own DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL (orphanages, abandonment, abuse etc) but God was always there, even though at times I felt he had deserted me. If you like, you can email me: yelgy@hotmail.com
"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God ... Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."(1 John 4:7, 11-12).
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY~~
Micky, Why do I want to know the cause? Well, that's just me. and that's just what human is abt isn't it? - the thirst for knowledge. Pse don feel pain reading my comments, I am at peace with myself. May peace be with you too.
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